‘It Won't Come Out of Park!’

‘It Won’t Come Out of Park!’

A voltmeter and scanner help diagnose the problem on a Land Rover with DTCs P0933 and P0936.

By Carlos Costa, transmission specialist
This article was previously published by
Transmission Digest.

Imagine you’re walking along, and you come upon a sign in your path that says: “Caution! Wet Concrete!” Your brain automatically says: “I better not proceed, I could get stuck, I could get hurt, I could spend the rest of my life here!” These are just a few things that may pop in your mind (or controller) and cause you to stop moving forward.
If we apply that scenario to our transmission problem, we would ask: Why did this vehicle not want to come out of Park? Why won’t it move forward?

The vehicle was a 2015 Land Rover Evoque equipped with the 9-speed automatic (designed by ZF) front-wheel drive transmission (948TE). It arrived at our facility with a number of DTCs. The codes that we found in the transmission control module (TCM) were: P0850, P0933 and P0936. Our customer’s complaint was that the shifter knob would come up out of the console and allow the driver to move it from Park to Drive once, then freeze there in the Drive position. After shutting off the vehicle, the shifter knob would move back to the Park position and stay there. It’s noteworthy to mention that the vehicle was at all times in the Park position.

A technical bulletin that we found (TSB LTB00986NAS1, Aug. ’16) explains the vehicles it covers and one of the potential causes of the codes listed above. I encourage you to look it up and read it carefully. This TSB explains that the TCM must be up to date (see section in Figure 1 that is highlighted in purple), and if any other codes are solenoid/electrical related, the internal wire harness should be replaced (see Figure 1 highlighted in red).

Figure 1

I had the TCM software updated and decided to replace the internal wire harness (Figure 2) because the vehicle’s P0850 code was related to the Park solenoid.

Figure 2

After replacing the internal wire harness, I no longer had the P0850 code return. However, the P0933 and P0936 pressure sensor codes returned, and the vehicle continued to get stuck in Park.

The TSB mentioned above states that if the P0933 and P0936 codes return after replacing the internal transmission wire harness, you can submit a technical assistance (TA) request for help (Figure 3 blue circle, middle bullet point).

Figure 3

Many of us don’t have ability to call the manufacturer’s tech line — I’m pretty sure that tech support would suggest we purchase a new valve block/valve body because that’s the only way to get the transducer sensor that threads into the valve body — so allow me to share how I checked the transducer on the valve body with a voltmeter and a scanner.

I noticed that the vehicle would drive fine until it got hot, then it would set codes P0933 and P0936 and then stay in Park.

This code is referring to the pressure sensor on the valve body. The TCM wants to know when the “A” clutch moves. When the “A” clutch releases (going from Drive to Neutral), the “A” clutch moves and pushes exhaust oil against the transducer. This momentary pressure rise against the transducer raises the voltage by one point.

For example, this is what I observed on my voltmeter and scanner. With the signal voltage return to the TCM in the Park, Reverse and Neutral positions (Figure 4), and the system functioning correctly, shifting from Drive to Neutral, I would see the voltage jump from 0.542 to 0.647 volts then return to 0.542. The clutch voltage data would never go above 0.7 volts. You can observe the clutch voltage data with a scanner. Look for “clutch voltage data” in the data list. This data should match the return signal on your voltmeter.

Figure 4

This is a three-wire controlled transducer. We used the ATSG 2016 page 105 to identify the wiring on our vehicle. Always confirm the correct wiring for the vehicle that you are working on. The wire schematic (Figure 5) shows a 5-volt feed to the sensor on pin 15. The ground wire to the TCM is pin 17, and the signal return wire to the TCM is pin 16. Pin 16 is the voltage return signal data referred to as the “Clutch voltage data” on the scanner. Of course, it’s much easier to look at the scanner data rather than tap into the wires to see the data. Figure 6 shows what I observed before the vehicle was repaired.

Figure 5
Figure 6

The clutch voltage data would rise slowly as the transmission got hot, yes, even just idling in Park. Remember, this voltage should only change a little when you move the selector from Drive to Neutral. My troubled trans would start around 0.542 (that’s where it should be), and once it got around 0.8 of a volt, the P0933 and P0936 codes would set, and the vehicle would then get stuck in Park. I noticed the clutch data voltage rise to 1.8 volts as the vehicle got hot.

I decided to remove the valve body to access the transducer. I used a 15/16 socket that I purchased at the surplus store and ground down the sides so it was thin enough to get the transducer off the valve body (Figure 7).

Figure 7

I removed the bolts from the valve body; I carefully and evenly encouraged the valve body straight off the transmission housing toward the radiator (toward the front of the vehicle). There are aluminum tubes with O-rings that connect oil circuits from the valve body to the transmission case. Be careful assembling the valve body to the transmission case; these tubes must be put back in their place. Once the valve body was off the transmission, we simply tilted it toward the radiator to access the transducer. The location of the transducer can be seen in Figure 8.
Once we replaced the transducer and reinstalled the valve body, the “Clutch voltage data” on the scanner and our meter displayed 0.546 volts and only jumped one point to 0.647 during the “A” clutch movement (from Drive to Neutral).

Figure 8

So, you could say the controller in this Land Rover stopped dead in its tracks (or Park) because it began to read a sign (voltage) from the transducer saying: “The A clutch has moved! The A clutch has moved when Drive hasn’t been selected yet!” When the controller notices the driver put the vehicle into Drive, it becomes worried and confused because it’s being told that the “A” clutch is exhausting; so it says to itself: “I better not proceed. I could get stuck. I could get hurt. I could spend the rest of my life here!”

I’m just kidding. All it does is what it is programmed to do, set the codes P0933 and P0936 and stay put… in Park!
Fortunately, I was able to purchase the transducer separately and save $2,000.

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